--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "bret bridwell"
wrote:
>
> i was wondering something.
> is there in anyones opinion, a "holy grail" letterbox?
> you know the most elusive or mysterious letterbox that eludes all
that
> seek it???
> just curious is all.
> thnx
> later days, dragonrider83338
>

The "Bee Hive" by Tom Cooch has been referred to as such.

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

I've wondered for a long time about Randy Hall's book. He is quoted on
the Mapsurfer.com website as saying this:
"In 2003, my book, on the pastime of North Amercian letterboxing, The
Letterboxer's Companion, was published. . . This is cool -- ever since
I was a kid, I had a dream of writing a book which included imbedded
clues to "treasure" in the real world. "

So my quesion: Has anyone found this hidden letterbox? I've only been
in letterboxing for about 2 years - so I'm just wondering. Reminds me
of A Treasure Trove.

LindaFay

I have the book, Letterboxer's Companion. Are there imbedded clues in it?

-- Creepy Luny Inn

On 4/9/06, LindaFay wrote:
>
> I've wondered for a long time about Randy Hall's book. He is quoted on
> the Mapsurfer.com website as saying this:
> "In 2003, my book, on the pastime of North Amercian letterboxing, The
> Letterboxer's Companion, was published. . . This is cool -- ever since
> I was a kid, I had a dream of writing a book which included imbedded
> clues to "treasure" in the real world. "
>
> So my quesion: Has anyone found this hidden letterbox? I've only been
> in letterboxing for about 2 years - so I'm just wondering. Reminds me
> of A Treasure Trove.
>
> LindaFay
>
>
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That is truly up to the reader to decide. Considering the skills of
the author, one would tend to think so. But where??? ;-)

LB

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Creepy Luny Inn"
wrote:
>
> I have the book, Letterboxer's Companion. Are there imbedded clues
in it?
>
> -- Creepy Luny Inn
>
> On 4/9/06, LindaFay wrote:
> >
> > I've wondered for a long time about Randy Hall's book. He is
quoted on
> > the Mapsurfer.com website as saying this:
> > "In 2003, my book, on the pastime of North Amercian letterboxing,
The
> > Letterboxer's Companion, was published. . . This is cool -- ever
since
> > I was a kid, I had a dream of writing a book which included
imbedded
> > clues to "treasure" in the real world. "
> >
> > So my quesion: Has anyone found this hidden letterbox? I've
only been
> > in letterboxing for about 2 years - so I'm just wondering.
Reminds me
> > of A Treasure Trove.
> >
> > LindaFay
> >
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well we know where we're going, but we dont know where we've been
and we know what we're knowing, but we can't say what we've seen
and we're not little children, and we know what we want
and the future is certain, give us time to work it out

yeah

we're on a road to nowhere, come on inside
we'll take that ride to nowhere, we'll take that ride
feeling ok this morning, and you know
we're on a road to find our lives, here we go, here we go
(Talking Heads)

Our favorite song after 30 miles of nowhere....
Or No Where???

Pink ;-)

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lightnin Bug"
wrote:
>
> That is truly up to the reader to decide. Considering the skills
of
> the author, one would tend to think so. But where??? ;-)
>
> LB
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Creepy Luny Inn"
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the book, Letterboxer's Companion. Are there imbedded
clues
> in it?
> >
> > -- Creepy Luny Inn
> >
> > On 4/9/06, LindaFay wrote:
> > >
> > > I've wondered for a long time about Randy Hall's book. He is
> quoted on
> > > the Mapsurfer.com website as saying this:
> > > "In 2003, my book, on the pastime of North Amercian
letterboxing,
> The
> > > Letterboxer's Companion, was published. . . This is cool --
ever
> since
> > > I was a kid, I had a dream of writing a book which included
> imbedded
> > > clues to "treasure" in the real world. "
> > >
> > > So my quesion: Has anyone found this hidden letterbox? I've
> only been
> > > in letterboxing for about 2 years - so I'm just wondering.
> Reminds me
> > > of A Treasure Trove.
> > >
> > > LindaFay
> > >
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My personal "Holy Grail" box is Mapsurfer's A Bard's Tale
letterbox located somewhere in Colorado. It has eluded my
understanding for over 3 years.

Silver Eagle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "bret bridwell"
wrote:
>
> i was wondering something.
> is there in anyones opinion, a "holy grail" letterbox?
> you know the most elusive or mysterious letterbox that eludes all
that
> seek it???
> just curious is all.
> thnx
> later days, dragonrider83338
>

Have you tried the Scarlet Pimpernel (Celticlions) LB? It has many avid boxers scratching their heads!
Puddle Splasher


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To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 4/10/2006 8:05:53 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: holy grail letterbox


My personal "Holy Grail" box is Mapsurfer's A Bard's Tale
letterbox located somewhere in Colorado. It has eluded my
understanding for over 3 years.

Silver Eagle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "bret bridwell"
wrote:
>
> i was wondering something.
> is there in anyones opinion, a "holy grail" letterbox?
> you know the most elusive or mysterious letterbox that eludes all
that
> seek it???
> just curious is all.
> thnx
> later days, dragonrider83338
>






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Rich,

You mean YOU haven't found it yet? With all your Mapsurfery?
Maybe it's less of a Holy Grail and more of a... I don't know...Bigfoot? Loch Ness Monster?

Natt


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lightnin Bug" wrote:
>
> That is truly up to the reader to decide. Considering the skills of
> the author, one would tend to think so. But where??? ;-)
>
> LB
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Creepy Luny Inn"
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the book, Letterboxer's Companion. Are there imbedded clues
> in it?
> >
> > -- Creepy Luny Inn
> >
> > On 4/9/06, LindaFay wrote:
> > >
> > > I've wondered for a long time about Randy Hall's book. He is
> quoted on
> > > the Mapsurfer.com website as saying this:
> > > "In 2003, my book, on the pastime of North Amercian letterboxing,
> The
> > > Letterboxer's Companion, was published. . . This is cool -- ever
> since
> > > I was a kid, I had a dream of writing a book which included
> imbedded
> > > clues to "treasure" in the real world. "
> > >
> > > So my quesion: Has anyone found this hidden letterbox? I've
> only been
> > > in letterboxing for about 2 years - so I'm just wondering.
> Reminds me
> > > of A Treasure Trove.
> > >
> > > LindaFay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SPONSORED LINKS
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> s=56&.sig=ZNXYkPb2nMfcxEG6hdxemw> The
> > > great outdoors > t=ms&k=The+great+outdoors&w1=Gsi+outdoors&w2=Outdoors&w3=The+great+out
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I took one of Mapsurfer's clues to a cryptography expert in the US Gov't. He glanced at it
and said, "Book Code. You're on your own." I eventually figured it out. It wasn't a "book"
code per se, but it was similar.
I guess my point is, if you're going after Mapsurfer... pack a lunch.

And the fact that he gives NO HELP is, well... no help at all.


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Silver Eagle" wrote:
>
> My personal "Holy Grail" box is Mapsurfer's A Bard's Tale
> letterbox located somewhere in Colorado. It has eluded my
> understanding for over 3 years.
>
> Silver Eagle
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "bret bridwell"
> wrote:
> >
> > i was wondering something.
> > is there in anyones opinion, a "holy grail" letterbox?
> > you know the most elusive or mysterious letterbox that eludes all
> that
> > seek it???
> > just curious is all.
> > thnx
> > later days, dragonrider83338
> >
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "nattybumppolbna"
wrote:

> And the fact that he gives NO HELP is, well... no help at all.
>

If Randy gave help with his boxes, the treasure that be holds you would
not be so sweet. The fact is, when (and IF) you ever find his box, you
will feel joy that you have never felt in finding a letterbox. Thats
just part of the game.

Personally, Ive not even chosen to attempt a Mapsurfer Treasure box
yet. My holy grail's have collectively been many of the Jay Drew and
Eric The Ram boxes here in CT. All have been VERY rewarding.

-Steve in CT

catching up on reading here and responding to a post a while back. another
reason to read the log...... bonus boxes.
i have been known to place a bonus box along the same trail as another of my
boxes. but you will only find it if you read the log book.
we found blue bears adventure a couple of years back. while reading the log
book we noticed that a hithchhiker was planted near by. being to big for the
letterbox someone had left it in the stone wall near by. we looked, but
really was not expecting it to be there as that little notice was a year old
and at least a dozen stampers later. well, it was there! a teamgreendragon
hitchhiker and a special treat to find.
so read those logbooks.
besides i love looking for wanda and petes stamp. you guys rock!
smile
uneksia

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Nattybumppolbna\,

What is "Book Code"? You don't have to tell me how, just let me know if
there is a definition of it. I did a search and only found things
related to linex and source code. Thanks if you have any ideas you can
share.

LindaFay

La DeathMoose believes she has pinpointed it. To within--oh, say a few hundred miles or so.... =)

Sheba

nattybumppolbna wrote:
Rich,

You mean YOU haven't found it yet? With all your Mapsurfery?
Maybe it's less of a Holy Grail and more of a... I don't know...Bigfoot? Loch Ness Monster?

Natt


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lightnin Bug" wrote:
>
> That is truly up to the reader to decide. Considering the skills of
> the author, one would tend to think so. But where??? ;-)
>
> LB
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Creepy Luny Inn"
> wrote:
> >
> > I have the book, Letterboxer's Companion. Are there imbedded clues
> in it?
> >
> > -- Creepy Luny Inn
> >


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(If I'm remembering correctly?) Take a specific book (known to you & the person receiving the message), reference page #, line #, # of word or letter. Only someone who knows what book you've used can decode it.


LindaFay wrote:
Nattybumppolbna\,

What is "Book Code"? You don't have to tell me how, just let me know if
there is a definition of it. I did a search and only found things
related to linex and source code. Thanks if you have any ideas you can
share.

LindaFay




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The "Book Code" was used in the movie "National Treasure" which shows
exactly how it works. The "book" used in the movie was a letter
written by Benjamin Franklin that was on display in a museum. There
are variations on the theme and a little more googling should lead you
to many sites but the movie shows how it works in practice.

> I've wondered for a long time about Randy Hall's book. He is quoted on
> the Mapsurfer.com website as saying this:

I'm often mis-quoted. Sometimes you have to consider the source, as
well as the reporter ...

One thing that is funny about writing books is dealing with editors.
You often have fights, including whether or not to include solutions.
Fortunately that one was won. In fact, the only fight I lost was
the editor's insistence that the line "the legerdemain that goes
on can be mind-bending", hit the cutting room floor. I guess you
have to understand the context(s), but boy was I pissed and went
round and round on that one ...

Back to the thread, I have a box that is actually a holy grail, a
poorly-carved one at that, but I guess that is part of the charm.
I believe Pete and Wanda have found it. Of course, all the stamps
are poorly carved -- I think people like the fact that they stick
out like sore thumbs in their journals. But you should see the one
TGD carved for me ...

My favorite letterbox is probably Mink River, in Wisconsin. I wonder
if it is still there. 1999 was a long time ago, but tupperware has a
long half-life. I would only say that off season, when the paddling
concession is closed, but it is quite a fun concept, and one we hope
to copycat someday ...

> And the fact that he gives NO HELP is, well... no help at all.

What sort of help would you like?

We have these yes/no cards. They allow their holder to ask three
yes/no questions, which I answer truthfully if I know or remember
the answer. I've always wondered why a particular holder of one
has not used this on a particular box in a particular state with a
particularly long name ...

> I took one of Mapsurfer's clues to a cryptography expert in the
> US Gov't. He glanced at it and said, "Book Code. You're on your
> own."

Gee, which box is this? I didn't realise I had a book code. I'm
impressed that someone would take a letterbox clue to a cryptography
expert, and particularly flattered it would be one that I came up
with. I guess that means I have to raise the bar, tho I am certainly
aware of a particular government expert that works my clues.

(And it amazes me that people even deal with my boxes with 22000 out
there and the lame stamps. In the days when there were only 20
or so, people had no choice :-))

I don't know how much, if any, I've contributed to the positive
karma of this thread, but I do know I've set a record for the use
of the word "particular" and its various morphemes (and y'know
what, the spell checker nailed just about each one -- a particularly
difficult spelling word for me).

Well, I have a streak going of planting at least one box for 7
consecutive years, not impressive by others' PFXYZ stats, but something
worth keeping alive this spring, I suppose ...

Cheers
Randy

> My favorite letterbox is probably Mink River, in Wisconsin. I wonder
> if it is still there. 1999 was a long time ago, but tupperware has a
> long half-life. I would only say that off season, when the paddling
> concession is closed, but it is quite a fun concept, and one we hope
> to copycat someday ...

Randy,

The Mink River box IS alive and well and still a favorite of many WI
letterboxers. I believe it is nearing or on its second logbook. I
will be checking on it once again next week.

As keeper of the "WI Letterboxes of Antiquity"
(http://www.geocities.com/the_lb_dragon/AntiquityHome.htm) I'd welcome
the chance to discuss with you any other boxes from WI you may have
found back in 1999. Please email me privately if you're willing.

Dragon

Thank you Me Lady - I've wanted to rewatch that movie. Thanks, too
Suzanne.
LindaFay

Thanks Randy!
Your book got me started after I found my first box. I kept it in the
sitting room for over a year and many people borrowed it - sitting
room - hmmmm - where might that be?

Any way, you added fun to this thread

LindaFay

> We found Mink River in AUG 2004 and had quite an interesting hike getting
> there! (We definitely took the long way...) Someone also found it in AUG
> 2005, so I believe it is probably still in place. Did you plant it?

Oh, this is fantastic news, on a few fronts. I did not plant it,
but of course wish I had. I do not believe anyone has yet found
my only Wisconsin box (the drop was difficult (and I had a flight to
catch), and the likelyhood that it is still there is low, but it
doesn't mean the puzzle still can't be solved and the area enjoyed).

> Well, I have a streak going of planting at least one box for 7 consecutive
> years

Actually 8 years. Hey, when your stats are lame, you take what you
can get ...

> How may one obtain one of these [yes/no] cards?

I'm getting alot of this ...

The easiest way is single malt scotch, and we are particularily
fond of a (besides this word) particular _I_sland. Or get one
from someone who has has one and doesn't feel like using it.

Otherwise, we generally give them out for solving trivia questions,
which, in this day and age, means giving them to those who are
most adept with search engines and high-speed connections. Or,
of course you can always find them in the boxscape or do something
I think is cool.

Well, here are the trivia questions. First correct answer to each
can have one, if they want (please e-mail off-list if you answer).
They are tradeable, so if you don't want one, you can trade it to
someone who does, of course --

* what is the cos(i), where i*i = -1, and "cos" is the well-known
trig function, to a couple of decimal places?

* what is the largest prime number in the lyrics of a popular song
[that I've heard, or provide me the mp3]?

* who invented the term "geocaching"?

* what is both a language, beverage, and island?

Cheers
Randy

These things go fast, I'm afraid. All the questions have been
correctly answered, but I forgot to mention one to a customer,
except for the

> The easiest way is single malt scotch

Of course :-) This means one of the correctly answered
questions is still alive. I'm posting the answers to
the other 3 following. This was kinda fun, so I may put
some longer term puzzles on my website at some point for
these things, we'll see.

> * what is the cos(i), where i*i = -1, and "cos" is the well-known
> trig function, to a couple of decimal places?

~ 1.54

> * what is the largest prime number in the lyrics of a popular song
> [that I've heard, or provide me the mp3]?

8675309

> * who invented the term "geocaching"?

Matt Stum

> * what is both a language, beverage, and island?

This one is still open.

Cheers
Randy

Sorry, this game is over -- I wish I could respond to
everyone who wasn't first. Next time I'll set it up
so there is a little more advance notice, and the questions
take a bit more time.

Cheers
Randy

Still, we appreciate being "clued in" in such a fashion.

What is e^-i*pi?

LB


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
>
>
> Sorry, this game is over -- I wish I could respond to
> everyone who wasn't first. Next time I'll set it up
> so there is a little more advance notice, and the questions
> take a bit more time.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
>
> Of course, all the stamps
> are poorly carved -- I think people like the fact that they stick
> out like sore thumbs in their journals. But you should see the one
> TGD carved for me ...
>


Anybody ever find that thing?

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

which one is it........????
smile


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Anybody ever find that thing?

Brian
TeamGreenDragon

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--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Lady Hydrangea Prisspott nee Hedge"
wrote:
>
> The "Book Code" was used in the movie "National Treasure" which shows
> exactly how it works. The "book" used in the movie was a letter
> written by Benjamin Franklin that was on display in a museum. There
> are variations on the theme and a little more googling should lead you
> to many sites but the movie shows how it works in practice.
>

The unsolved Beale Ciphers are believe to use a book code.

jackbear